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corrective, which can only be brought out by repentance] are brought out,” it follows that “divine anger” must always result in repentance, and that is patently not so. The conclusion is inescapable: Isaiah 9:10 is not programmatic. We also note that Cahn asked. Sunday, April 7, 2013 we return to The Harbinger – Part 2 and will take a close look at the Isaiah 9:10 effect on Ancient Israel. “The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment” is a WND documentary adaption of Jonathan Cahn’s “The Harbinger. … I believe it is a game-changer in and for America. This was named after the tree under which signed the agreement, a buttonwood tree – and the buttonwood tree is a sycamore. Does the “Shemitah” pattern hold if we consider point drops? It makes the case that the devastating attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, represented the same kind of limited judgment by God experienced by ancient Israel as reflected in the Book of Isaiah. the exact Biblical day specifically ordained to touch a nation’s financial accounts … the exact Biblical day that is a judgment to the nation that has driven God out of its life, the exact Biblical day specifically ordained to touch a nation’s financial accounts. brutal, violent, vicious people … the Nazis of the ancient world. Isaiah 9:10 - The Harbinger Have you read this book or seen this movie? And the “Shemitah” was a specific principle given to ancient Israel, and the nation and the principle have both long since ceased to exist. Harbingers manifested. Ancient Israel was required to live according to the very specific Mosaic law by covenant, they were refusing to live according to it and they knew it, and they had been warned specifically by prophets of God that destruction would come upon them for this. The harbinger had to manifest and so it did, on the very day after the calamity: the ninth harbinger. Through its narrative, he connected the dots for us to see that God is warning America in the same ways He warned Israel in Isaiah’s day through prophecies and harbingers of things to come! What else could possible matter enough to influence choice against a novel that may help many make what I feel is the only favorable choice. According to Cahn, the first harbinger is the “breach of a nation’s hedge of protection.”  God had put a hedge of protection around ancient Israel and around America much later, and until that hedge is removed, the nation is “almost impenetrable.”  But because of the nation’s sin, God removes this hedge of protection and allows the enemy in, leading to an “initial strike on the land.”  This initial strike is limited in scope and temporary in duration, but it is a warning: final destruction will follow if the nation does not repent: That first strike is only temporary, but it’s a warning of the, of the final destruction that will come if that nation does not turn back. The harbinger had to manifest and so it did, on the very day after the calamity: the ninth harbinger. Again, he is wrong, as the following chart[19] shows: As can be seen from the chart, oil prices did not skyrocket after 9/11; in fact, they did not duplicate the historic high of 1981 until 2005 (and, in real terms, not until 2008). At the Battle of the Chateauguay on October 26, 1813, 300 Canadians sent an invading American force numbering 4,000 into retreat. The answer should be obvious: we need to look at other cases in the Old Testament in which a covenant nation was judged, to see whether the same “harbingers” were “manifested”. Nor is the “massive federal debt” of $1.3 trillion cited by Cahn due to the “war on terror.”  (Actually, the U.S. would love to have a federal debt of $1.3 trillion; their actual federal debt has passed $16.7 trillion. Now, America is similar to Israel, was also founded on God’s word. What does the Declaration of Independence (above left) say about God? The mastermind, Osama bin Laden, was also a Saudi Arabian, not an Iraqi (“Assyrian”). Contra Cahn, Elul 29 was not “the exact Biblical day specifically ordained to touch a nation’s financial accounts … the exact Biblical day that is a judgment to the nation that has driven God out of its life”; it was the ordained day in which the ancient Israelites, under the Old Covenant, were required to cancel all personal loans. On the contrary, the document begins: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. The rise that began in 2004 and 2005 did not correlate with the “war on terror”; it was due to increasing demand from emerging economies in China and India, and not due to the “war on terror.”. an ancient mystery that foretells America’s future, the mystery of ancient Israel is now gonna replay in modern America, second shaking … that’s gonna touch America in its economic power, its financial foundation, extreme slashing of the nation’s interest rates. The significance of this cannot be overstated. However, Israel split into two kingdoms in 931 BC, as previously mentioned, and Isaiah 9:10 describes the judgement of one of these, the northern kingdom of Israel. We will rebuild and we will recover.”  “That is what we will do” – he’s referring to Isaiah 9:10, he just said it, so what, this is mind boggling. These "harbingers" include the Great Recession seven years after 9/11 along with several surprising coincidences at Ground Zero and "vows" against God supposedly made by … We had to subject his claims to careful examination, and could hold on to them only if they had proven to be “good.”  We had to assess Cahn’s claims in light of both the applicable Scriptures and the relevant facts. Furthermore, this is an oracle against Judah’s prophets, who are not telling the people the truth; it has nothing to do with national repentance or economic foundations. And yet we wonder about those amazing parallels between ancient Israel and modern America. America chose defiance rather than repentance, says Cahn, and “without repentence [sic] there comes a second shaking.”  Cahn calls this “The Isaiah 9:10 Effect,” which he defines thus: The attempt of a nation to defy the course of its judgment apart from repentance will instead set in motion a chain of events that will bring about the very calamity it seeks to avert. This harbinger is also verbal, but it is not about what is, but what is to come; a prophecy. In the case of ancient Israel, the “initial strike” was the Assyrian attack in 732 BC. However, the magnitude of the stakes makes it of prime importance to. Only it didn’t. So he gets up to speak, and he has no idea what he’s about to do. We have to ask whether this seven-year “Shemitah” pattern has held generally in relation to America’s financial downturns. Yet, as we have clearly seen, and as Cahn himself previously indicated, this is most certainly not “exactly what is says [that] there is gonna be now more calamity and more shaking.”  What Isaiah 9:11 and on says “exactly” is this: Therefore the LORD shall set up The Assyrian Empire were a Semitic people in the Middle East, just like the terrorists who planned and carried out 9/11. Isaiah 9:10 tells of the walls that fell in Israel, made of clay bricks. “The sign of national judgment, the sycamore has fallen right in order,” says Cahn. And “seven”, says Cahn, is the “key number of the Shemitah.”. For all this, however, Cahn’s first pillar fails utterly. Cahn sums it up: both crashes took place on Elul 29. the day when a nation’s financial accounts are wiped away. It happened seven years after 9/11. Cahn’s final point is what he calls “the mystery ground.”  Reminding us that King Solomon dedicated the newly built temple and commended the Israelite nation to God in 958 BC, he asserts that. The quotes above show that Cahn certainly seemed to understand that. He doesn’t realize ’cause no one would say this if they knew what it was … he proclaims it without knowing it. Everything in Isaiah is prophetic because it is Scripture, and all prophecies of Scripture come directly from God (2 Peter 1:20-21); it was not man’s initiative or decision to put Isaiah 9:10 into the Bible. And those of us privileged to serve this great Nation will stand with you.[18]. [16] http://www.theconcreteproducer.com/highstrength-concrete/freedom-tower–new-york-city.aspx; http://rew-online.com/1-wtc-rising-on-super-concrete/; http://gothamist.com/2006/04/27/freedom_tower_c.php; Archived at http://archive.li/CD7u (Saved from http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/q-a-response-lynda-tollner2.html). (Or can we appeal to the “ancient mystery” of Matthew 20:16 – “So the last will be first, and the first last” – to get around this problem?). The problem with claiming that this is a “harbinger,” however, is that fallen bricks are a universal phenomenon when a city is attacked by an enemy. This has been shown to be WRONG. Cahn’s sixth and seventh harbingers are linked. Cahn’s case centres on the words of the prophet Isaiah, in Isaiah 9:10, shown below in context, with v. 10 bolded: The Lord sent a word against Jacob, “The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment” is a WND documentary adaption of Jonathan Cahn’s “ The Harbinger." (Deuteronomy 7:6-8a), “For you are a holy people to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.” (Deuteronomy 14:2). In Isaiah 9:10, ancient Israel defied God by vowing to rebuild after the Assyrian attack. Personal debt, government debt, corporate debt all mushrooms and, the, this is the Isaiah 9:10 effect. Cahn next turns his attention to back to another topic, which has already been debunked. When judgment came upon ancient Israel in Isaiah 9, the very passage on which Cahn builds his entire case, did it strike Jerusalem? And regarding Washington’s inaugural address, we need to look not at what Cahn claims that Washington was saying “in effect,” but at his actual words: … my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves. Furthermore, if the 9/11 attack and the 2008 were meant to be “a warning of the, of the final destruction that will come if that nation does not turn back,” did America turn back? The founders are justifying this new nation in “the opinions of mankind” rather claiming it is the will of God. First, as we have already showed, what happened in September 2008 has nothing to with any putative Isaiah 9:10 effect “com[ing] to full force.”  Second, despite the terminology and public perception, the economy slowed in September 2008, but it did not truly crash, as the following chart[21] shows: Third, it is not true that the 2008 crash was “the greatest economic disaster since the Great Depression.”  True, it featured the largest single-day point drop on the stock exchange, but percentage drop is far more significant than point drop (just as losing $100 is much more significant when your net worth is $200 than losing $200 when your net worth is $10,000). The $1.3 trillion deficits mentioned by Cahn did not start until eight years after the beginning of the “war on terror,” when the Obama administration took office and began spending wildly on various social programs. But if it was a manifestation of divine anger, shouldn’t the hedge have already been removed? It’s that on which it rests or that in which it trusts. Furthermore, when “U.S. There is a specific pattern of events, or harbingers, that is followed as God moves from warning to judging, and this pattern comprises the nine harbingers Cahn identifies in Isaiah 9:10. The LXX reads: The bricks are fallen down, but come, let us hew stones and cut down sycamores and cedars, and let us build for ourselves a tower. The harbinger of the sycamore appears in America, the sign of uprooting for a nation – the sixth harbinger. God’s protective hand over Israel is removed and judgment for Israel’s wickedness and defiance begins. Now, there are two main problems with Cahn’s analysis: In a battle between King Kong and the girl here, who would require a “hedge of protection”? what is the foundation of that superpower that could be laid bare in the time of judgment and that could be linked to 9/11? The two are connected. soldiers undoubtedly came into contact with actual descendants of the ancient Assyrians of Isaiah 9:10” when they went to war in Iraq. The ancient Israelites had insisted they would recover from the Assyrian attack as a better and stronger nation, insisting that, “… The sycamores are cut down, There are historical details which Cahn has idiosyncratically and illegitimately proclaimed to be harbingers, along with others that do not even have any contact points at all but are simply read in by Cahn. All these things manifesting, the sixth and seventh harbinger together, and nobody is planning this out, nobody is, is figuring it out, nobody’s saying, “Let’s do this with this”; it’s just happening. Not once. (Isaiah 10:5,6) “O, Assyrian, the rod of Mine anger, and the staff in their hand is Mine indignation. and what happens if we bring this to a national level? If Assyria was more brutal, it differed only in degree, not in essence. I knew the 'Harbinger' was going to be an incredibly successful book, which it has been and continues to be the number one Christian book in America this year. No, it doesn’t. As part of the devastation, “the sycamores are cut down” by the invading enemy (Isaiah 9;10). Most people would not consider an economic collapse to be a blessing. If we appeal to the LXX text instead, then the “harbinger” of the cedars is lost. Then Cahn claims that this harbinger, too, has been manifested: And that response, says Cahn, is the very vow of defiance in Isaiah 9:10[17], Cahn insists that Daschle is “proclaiming judgment on the nation from Capitol Hill on the very day after 9/11 that there would not be national revival in the wake of 9/11 but there would be national defiance.”. Isaiah 9:10 Effect SECOND SHAKING Harbingers continued with Ancient Israel, warnings and foreshadows, the judgment will continue until we repent or God's wrath is poured out in its fulness. According to Cahn, “For the eighth harbinger to manifest in America, what has to happen is that an American leader, or prominent American leader, would have to proclaim these words of defiance in a public setting in the capital city,” and that, he said, was manifested on September 11, 2004, when Senator John Edwards quoted Isaiah 9:10 in an address to the Congressional Black Caucus prayer breakfast. He puts a new introductory spin on it now, telling us that “There’s a law in the Bible that for a truth to be established or a judgment to be pronounced, there has to be two or three witnesses testifying” and then he asks, “and what happens if we bring this to a national level?”  He continues, “The most dramatic witness of America under judgment is the proclaiming of the ancient vow of judgment that links America to ancient Israel, that links America to being a nation in defiance, a nation that is being shaken and being called back to God,” and then he again appeals to Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, Senator John Edwards, and President Barack Obama at various times pledging to rebuild America. After all, according to the nameless “commentaries” to which Cahn appeals, “if one expression [of divine anger] is resisted, another must be found.”  So why would the same manifestation be replayed in 2001 and 2008? Cahn clearly believes that this is true in reality, not just in fiction. hold the key to the timing of the judgment. To wit: The First Harbinger: The Breach – In reality, there is no evidence that there ever was a “hedge of protection” around America. It was the one nation (two, if we count Judah as a separate nation) to which the Shemitah did apply, unlike America. [9] It was actually a bit more than two years later, being planted on November 26, 2003. Prima facie, a Norway spruce is not a cedar. Surely that is too many parallels to explain as simply coincidences, isn’t it? Eleven years. And, at any rate, the foundational principles of the United States are determined by the Declaration of Independence and especially the Constitution, not by Washington’s inaugural address. The Hebrew shaqam in Isaiah 9:10 refers to the Ficus sycomorus, which is a fig tree, also called the sycamore fig or the fig-mulberry tree. The one leads into the other. How could this possibly become our response? The Eighth Harbinger: The Utterance – There is nothing in Isaiah 9:10 to suggest that a leader quoting Isaiah 9:10 is a “harbinger.”. These "harbingers" include the Great Recession seven years after 9/11 along with several surprising coincidences at Ground Zero and "vows" against God supposedly made by … The only new thing that has to be said is in regard to Cahn’s new introductory spin, in which he has again misunderstood the Bible. In sum, then, none of the economic problems attributed to the “war on terror” by Cahn is actually a product of the “war on terror.”  Yet he now goes on to claim that the financial downturn of 2008 is also a result of 9/11. For America, Isaiah 9:10 is likewise a pronouncement of judgment from God. [14]  There is no “utterance,” and therefore no “prophecy” of the sort Cahn talks about. America’s financial power has centered on the island of Manhattan. He does, however, say that there is a prophetic warning for America in Isaiah 9:10, in the form of the nine harbingers. The answer should be obvious. Assyria was the exact opposite of “a nearly impotent group”; it was the superpower of its day. It is also interesting to note that the top nine all happened while, according to Cahn, America was still under God’s “hedge of protection.”  How does Cahn explain that a stock market crash that is supposed to be a manifestation of God’s judgment after He has removed His hedge of protection from America is not as bad as nine previous crashes that happened while America was under God’s hedge of protection? What has happened to fact checking and critical thinking? One has to ask, because, as bad as Cahn’s case has been so far, as we move on to “The Isaiah 9:10 Effect,” it becomes still worse. The September 29, 2008, drop doesn’t even enter the list! The first question that is raised is how exactly does this differ from the eighth harbinger? Yes, it was “brutal, violent, [and] vicious,” but so was every superpower of the ancient world. The bricks are fallen down Houses made of bricks, which were without the cities besieged and destroyed by the Assyrians; of which the haughty Israelites made no account, looking upon such a desolation as little, or no loss at all: but we will build with hewn stone, so that the houses will be better and stronger, more beautiful, and more durable: the sycamores are cut down; We have already discussed this: The first strike described in Isaiah 9:10 happened in 732 BC. Is this indeed a promised “financial shaking” or final destruction? soldiers undoubtedly came into contact with actual descendants of the ancient Assyrians of Isaiah 9:10 when they went to war in Iraq” backfires royally. 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